3 Questions We Get All the Time

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Austin: Hey, everybody, Austin and Rachel Holt here, and welcome back to the Conscious Christian Marriage Podcast. I believe today is episode four. And, we're really excited to just be here in the studio having a conversation and, to hang with you guys as well. And so, yeah, today's episode's gonna be a little bit different. We're actually just gonna be answering some questions here in a few minutes that have been submitted by various people for various things. Actually, really common questions we get asked all the time, so we're excited to cover those. But before we get into those, we're gonna kick off our episode, like we've done with all of our other episodes, and just share some appreciations for each other. This is just a little peek into our world of, of radical appreciation and things that we start off actually every live training we do with other couples and, and when we go teach places. We just always start with appreciations because we believe it's one of those God-given superpowers we have, so.

Rachel, I know you wanted to, share your appreciation first, so go ahead.

Rachel: I'm really appreciating your eyes in this moment. They match your shirt, or your shirt is bringing out, out the natural handsome

Austin: Thank you. This

Rachel: Features

Austin: Eye was feeling a little, like, lazy, extra lazy today. So I was actually just self-conscious about it. Yeah, I was. Actually, I was like, "Man, my left eye is, like, not opening all the way." Then you compliment my eyes, so thank you.

Rachel: Yeah, they look great.

Austin: Yeah, my eye makes this weird sound. I don't know if you can hear this.

Rachel: Oh, babe.

Austin: Oh, hold on. I didn't do a good one.

Rachel: I can't believe you just did that.

Austin: Well, people need to know. It's just kind of a thing.

Rachel: It's like

Austin: It just That, that was even a good one, though. Sometimes it really- No, I can't get to do it, but- Yeah. Those of you with l one lazy eye, I see you. I love you. But thank you for appreciating my eyes.

Rachel: Do you see them?

Austin: Oh, I see them. Dang it, I didn't even hear the pun in that. Thank you. Okay, so my appreciation for you is, I really appreciate that you have been emailing our oldest daughter just words of appreciation. And I appreciate that you are emailing it to her, because I know you say it to her as well. But, like, you know she's, like, really into her email right now. And,

Rachel: So grown up

Austin: Yeah, she is so grown up. And so I know that she feels, like, extra, you know, appreciated and affirmed because you're, like, emailing it to her, you know? And so and she gets to, like, email you back. So I just really appreciate that. It's, like, a little detail thing that I know that, like, takes a little bit of time every day and just means a lot to me, so.

Rachel: Thank you.

Austin: I appreciate your heart for her.

Rachel: I receive that. Yeah. She I'm having a lot of fun with it. And I always think about what my children will have when I'm gone. And her having email is, like, a, a really cool track record. I mean, 'cause she's only She's nine, for those listening, so she's only just now gotten emails. But it's something that I know she can look back on forever. If, you know, God forbid something happened. But I do also have journals to each of my kids, but it is way easier to just

Austin: To shoot a quick email

Rachel: Shoot her an email. and that gives me the idea, I could start email addresses for the other kids. But anyway, the journals

Austin: I already have

Rachel: Will do for now

Austin: I already have them. Yeah. Just so their names are saved. Yeah, I have Gmails for all of them.

Rachel: Maybe you, maybe I knew that.

Austin: Yeah, maybe.

Rachel: Oh, this is funny.

Austin: But speaking of, things that people have after they're gone- I was thinking about getting a wax replica of me made. Like, my exact height, weight, all dimensions. You know? Just a wax like, just figurine of me that you could, like, cuddle with or just keep forever. You know?

Rachel: So is it, like, flexible wax?

Austin: Yeah, it's flexible.

Rachel: Like, I could really cuddle it?

Austin: Yeah, you could cuddle it. Yeah. I was thinking of getting one made. They're, like, seven grand. If you're cool with that, I'm gonna get one made.

Rachel: So are you clothed or not in this

Austin: It, it's

Rachel: Model?

Austin: It can It, that, that's also flexible. So, yeah. So anyways. Well, good appreciations. So okay, so let's move on to, the, the topic for today. So we've got three questions that we're gonna be answering, like we said a second ago. so we're gonna go through two of those questions, and we're gonna do our nonprofit shout-out, then we'll do the third question, and we'll wrap up. So, today's just gonna be a little bit more casual and just kind of go through some fun questions. So, so first question that, we have to answer today, and we get this question asked all the time. and it's how do you two do it all? Okay, and another variation of this question we get asked pretty frequently is, like, just how do you guys do everything that you're doing?

Rachel: Mm-hmm. We, you know, we do this company together. We have some other companies. This is our main focus and our priority. we've both been entrepreneurs our whole relationship. We have four children, ages nine, seven, four, and two and a half. And we're very involved in our church. We homeschool our children. we live on a farm, a mini farmstead- I would say. there are a lot of things on our plate, many more that I haven't mentioned. We care about family, you know, all of those things. So when people ask us, I mean, a lot of people maybe want to take the step to homeschool, and they're like, "I don't even know how to do it." Or they want to start a business together as a company, and they, or I'm sorry

Austin: As a couple

Rachel: As a couple, and that seems so daunting and overwhelming to them because they don't know how to manage it. And so, one, we've grown our capacity over time. So it's like if someone threw four kids at me all of a sudden from being a mom of zero to four, it would be drowning for a while. It would be really hard for a while till I figured it out. But God has given us four kids, at least for us. We love you, Rebecca Isham. She had four at the same time. And we got to watch that and how she managed, and it literally took a village.

Austin: Well, we weren't, like, there.

Rachel: Yeah, we weren't in her living room.

Austin: We've just been, they've been friends of ours, and they had quadruplets, and it was amazing.

Rachel: It was amazing, and kudos to them.

Austin: And we have friends with, like, like, 11 daughters.

Rachel: Yeah. But God

Austin: So we know people with some kids. But yeah, God divinely, just like in when you have kids, I feel like God really divinely, like, equips you with, like, the capacity the ability, the mental, emotional patience and space to have, like, a kid and then a second, and then third, and fourth, fifth, sixth. I think with, like- I think God has done that for us with, like, as we've added other things to our plate. You know, along with our partnership with God and how we've, like, ramped up to that. But

Rachel: So I always like encouraging moms who have fewer kids than I do or, like, one kid. I remember when I first became a mom, and one of my mom friends who had, like, four kids at the time came over and made a meal and did my laundry and told me to take a nap. And she brought her six-month-old with her, and I was like

Austin: Oh, that's Rachel Bills

Rachel: "How, how is she doing this?" I felt so blessed by it, and I didn't understand. Well, now I understand. God grows your capacity. You know, that first one is a big learning curve going from zero to one. But, with all of our businesses and everything, God has grown our capacity as we've gone. so that's one thing, just know, that you don't have to throw yourself in all at once.

Austin: Yeah. I think in the context of the question, like, what came to my mind, too, was, like, just, I think when people look at our business, the kids, homeschooling, the homestead, and, like, how involved we are at church yeah, I think that's like when people are like, "Wow," like, "how do you do it?" And really you might think that we're really, really busy, but we're actually not. we're just really, really intentional. And we have, like, really tight filters as to what we let through, even through on our phones, through our emails, through texts, through everything. And so, we'll, we'll get to some of those logistics here in a second. But I think ultimately it comes down to we take good care of ourselves. We get good sleep. We do red light therapy. We eat well. we drink well. we take good supplements. We eat good wholesome food. and, we don't put ourselves through unnecessary stress. We don't create bad agreements. We don't have high drama relationships.

Like, I think we take really good care, like, just kinda going back to, like, heart, soul, mind, strength. we really do nurture those four dimensions of who we are, and we're, I think we're really intentional around that. And that helps a lot because it's like even like last night you were like, "Oh my gosh, I'm not gonna get eight hours of sleep." And I was like, "Honey." You're like, "I'm only gonna get seven hours and 45 minutes of sleep." I was like, "Rachel, you're gonna be fine." You know, but, like, but really, like, you know, you thinking, you having such a high, bar for, like, the amount of sleep that you feel like you should have is important. Like, like, you're setting that, rule for yourself. Like, I'm gonna get eight hours of sleep 'cause I know, especially for a, as a female, that that sleep is really, really gonna play into your day. And so so yeah, a couple, couple just logistical answers. Yeah, we take really good care of ourselves.

That's, like, an unapologetic priority. It's really, really high. even the money we allocate for our health is really high. Like you know, even just, again, supplements, food quality. But, like, we don't eat out a lot. We don't eat junk. and, we, we, we don't do dairy. We don't do gluten. We don't do sugar. You know, like, we're, we just, we have a really tight regimen. another thing would be every Monday, we have a business meeting, okay? It's in our calendars. From Mondays at 10:00 says Holt business meeting right there, where we sit down, we plan the entire week. We sync up our calendars. We sync up our priorities, our to-do lists, everything. Like, we sit down and have a business meeting, and it's very business. You know, it's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom boom. and then this is, like, maybe a different episode, or maybe we'll answer this question, too, but we also have the inverse of that, which is, like, unapologetic, you know, time at home you know, where we're not doing work, so that we can have unapologetic time here when we're working. another thing we do is our quarterly scheduling sessions.

So, like, every quarter we get together, and we just remap our whole life, okay? And, and it may not change a lot from quarter to quarter, but sometimes it does. We look at, like, what babysitters we have, what nannies we have, like, what the homeschool academy schedule's like, what our work schedule's like, what our church commitments look like. And we sit down and just remap it out 'cause I have found that I, we probably modulate 20% every quarter. Like, a schedule that you put in place is not gonna last all year long. It, it might, I guess, like, for the, maybe for the, a couple that doesn't have a lot going on, that would probably work. But if you've got kids, if you homeschool, if you run a business if you're

Rachel: Seasonal commitments.

Austin: Seasonal commitments, too. Yeah, like, if the kids are in a sport or in an art or a, an instrument or something that will cause that to change. But every quarter we sit down, and we do a really great planning session, which I think is really cool. Actually, we have an entire training on that that, that, our members use, where we've got, like, a calendar, and it's got questions and how to fill it out. And it's all based on our values and our highest priorities, too. That's another big thing is that, we have, like, an order of, our values and our priorities. And if something tries to get into our calendar or into our world that doesn't honor those top, you know, five to seven things, we just don't do it. Doesn't mean it's not a cool thing. We just don't do it.

Rachel: Our priorities are our personal relationship with God our marriage, our kids, everything else. And so that's one thing I was gonna say is fostering So yes, focusing on our health, but our whole health. So not just physical health. It's heart, soul, mind, strength. So in the mornings when we do all those things you know, when we're, doing affirmations in the morning, which very much involves God, it's even what God speaks over us when we're doing the red light therapy, when we're getting our sleep and then getting up and spending time with God's word those are essentials for me. That's why I go to bed at the time I go to bed, so that I can make sure I get that. Because there's a difference. There's a difference for how much I can handle, how, how well I can function, how great of a mom I am, how well I show up for my family, for my kids, for my ministries, for my work. All of it really bases, goes back to when I went to bed, when I was able to get up that morning and what

Austin: How, how you set yourself up for success for the day.

Rachel: How I fostered every aspect, heart, soul, mind, strength, in the morning. So mornings are really crucial for us.

Austin: Yeah. yeah, that could've been a whole item here, just mornings alone. an another agreement that we have that really helps with us being able to handle everything that we do is we don't speak for each other. It's just an agreement we have. You know, there's times where someone, a couple might be like, "Hey, l let's, let's all go out to dinner." And I might say, "Yeah, I would love to do that. I can't speak for Rachel," even though my guess might be yes, you would like to. but we just don't make commitments for each other unless we're both present and we both agree to it which is really, really important, 'cause sometimes one will be like, "Yeah, let's-" 'Cause like, I think if I could have my way, we'd go out to, like, lunch or dinner with a different couple, like, every day, you know? But, like, then, but you would be like, "Well, hey, like, we also have these things on our, our plate on our schedule, and we need to make sure we, like, balance all that properly."

And so, yeah, not speaking for each other, I think, is, is really important. Another one is just really clear roles. Like, we have really clear like, defined roles in our personal life and in the business. Who does what. like, for example, like events. When churches have us come out and speak for events, 99% of the time Rachel does those calls and she does the coordinating for that, like, 99% of the time. But when it comes to creating contracts, documents, scope of works, proposals, whatever, I do all that, you know? And so we just have, like, like, areas of the business we know each of us thrive at, and so we just stay in those lanes, and then we're not redoing work a lot. And that also translates to home. Like, we have agreements around, like, what I do around the house and what you do around the house, like what I do with the kids, what you do with the kids, you know? And, like, even, yeah.

Rachel: Grocery, meal planning, all of that.

Austin: Yeah, groc all that stuff we have, like, just segmented out. And that might seem like really structured, but it is. It's like we run our marriage, our household, and everything like a business. so then there's no guessing. There's no, like, ambiguity around commitments and, like we know what we're doing, when we're doing it, what we're doing it for, why it matters to us. And once you flush all that out, everything becomes really clear. And actually, what we love and prioritize becomes really clear and really fruitful. And then the stuff that we maybe thought we wanted but actually really don't becomes really clear, too. You know?

Rachel: And when we have unapologetic, structured, scheduled work time or things blocked out it allows for more free time. And when we rest, it's actual rest. I do this on, on all my wife's calls. I say, "There's a shelf. Put everything that's on your mental plate everything that you have to do after this call or that you had going on before this call, and put it up on the shelf." It'll be there for you when you come back at the end of the call. And so that's how it is for us when we're resting, when we're present with our kids. that's a huge thing for me, being able to segment mom, homeschool teacher mom homemaking mom and work. You know, I'm a mom while I work, but being at work without them is being able to just put things on the shelf. That's something I struggled with early on, was feeling the guilt of clients waiting on me or things needing to get needing, quote-unquote, needing to get done while I was being a mom and allowing that to stress me out.

So having those structured times, knowing I'm gonna get this done, it's gonna happen at this time. And so for me, it's having a planner, and we run our lives by the Google Calendar.

Austin: Yes. Thank you, Google Calendar. you know, it, it just, it kinda makes me think a lot about, you know, we've planned. We've done a lot of intentional planning so that we're not the typical entrepreneur story where we're on our phone 24/7, on email 24/7. You know, like, typically, you know, 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 o'clock and on every day, like, we don't have to do any more work. And I remember one time, I was thinking about some good friends of ours, their name's Shelby and Steven, and, we were over at their house one time, and we were talking with Shelby 'cause Shelby used to work for us, when we had our other company. And she's like, "Yeah, like, I love my husband's job because, like, when he gets home at 5:00, like, he's home." "And then, like, he doesn't have to bring any work home." He's like, "Once he's home, he's done for the day." And I think at the time, like, it almost bothered me because I was like, "Oh, man," like, "that's so true."

Like, yeah, we're entrepreneurs and we have all this freedom, but also, like, back then before we were like we were kinda like untamed entrepreneurs, you know? I don't know if that's the right way to say that, like undisciplined entrepreneurs. And now that we are, like, disciplined business owners, it's different because, like, we've now set things up to where, like, we can shut off our phones. Do that because we've set such great boundaries, which kinda goes into the next point, which is, like, my, my I love our bullet point here. It's like picking brain meetings/pointless meetings. this is a really big one because I think early on, like, when we were just, like, maybe a little bit more, like, needing people to know how, like, busy or important or things, like our, we, we were or, like, our work is, like, it was easy to take meetings, you know or, like, take calls, you know? Like, we, people would request like, "Hey, I wanna pick your brain.

Hey, I wanna have a meeting. Let's go get coffee. Let's go get lunch. Let's go do this." And I think one thing we've done that's really helped us prioritize what, what should get done the most is by screening those requests. Like, not taking pointless meetings, not taking 'Cause there's a lot of times where someone's like, "Hey, I ju- I just wanna go, you know, chat." It's like, so we'll, we'll s we'll find babysitters and set aside an hour or two and just go meet with someone, and there may not be any point to the meeting. And we make time for relationships, like like, all the time. but, like, we s we try to really sanctify, like, time for the relationships that are, like, in our river, like, in our world that, like, God's really calling us to, to nurture, to minister to, or to collaborate with. But one thing we've done is started to really screen, meetings, calls, Zoom calls, and, and ask the question, like, "What would you like to discuss?

What's the agenda for our time together?" Like, "What would be the highest and best use for this time?" "What do you wanna accomplish during this meeting?" And if someone's like, "Oh, I have no idea," you know. And it, it One more quick story. This brings me back to, one time when I was gonna meet with the pastor of a really, really big church, and I, I don't, I don't wanna say his name without his permission. But, we were gonna meet because we were running a ministry at the time. And anyways, and so I was like, "Hey, I'd love to get together and just, like, chat," 'cause I just wanted to, like, be in this guy's, like, proximity, you know? And and he emailed me back, and he's like, "Hey, I'd love to get together, too. What would you like to accomplish in our time together?" And at first, I was taken back. You know, like, oh, you would wanna just meet to meet, you know?

And back then, I, I just didn't realize. I'm like, well, he's got back-to-back meetings all day, every day, and he's got a family he wants to go home and see. And it took a few years of me growing up in the business world to really appreciate that. So that's another way that we do it all. Like, and by all, our all. We do our all because, like, we have, like, we have filters for what may not actually be the best use of our time and to make sure that whatever we're gonna do, like, we're doing it with excellence, and we're doing it with an intentionality and with focus. So yeah. Give you thoughts on that?

Rachel: Yeah, just filtering friendships or I would say investing in really intentional friendships- 'cause it can be so easy in this day and age of social media and so many avenues to be able to stay in touch with people, and people that are great people that you love, that you care about. But when you think to how God designed us to function how He designed our brain in as it relates to people to function, we cannot

Austin: We can't manage

Rachel: We, we physically like, mentally cannot manage overloads of friends. And we would say one to three super close friends and then, you know, the bubble goes out from there, but, I know you have great stats on that, but

Austin: Well, yeah, I was just thinking about the training we did a few months ago on this very topic. you know, which was basically that, you can't really manage well over 30 relationships total. Total. Like, physiologically your brain overloads. I think and psychologically, when you've got more than, like, 30 relationships, you're really trying to, like, manage up here. And like you said, the study found that we can really only have, like, one to three, like, hyper close relationships and then, like, 10, 12, 13, which is kind of funny thinking, like, Jesus and the 12 relationships that, like, can be really high quality. And it's not a service to the people that are in your closest circle to just kind of be, like, quarter friends with, like, 100 people. And like you said, like, with social media, it is easy to, like, it's tempting. It's at least tempting for me, like as a social person, like, I wanna be friends with everybody. You know? And so, like, I think about, like, I- I, again, I don't wanna, I don't wanna do a disservice to the people that, like, God has called us to be in close community with.

And so all this to say like, if you wanna add some time and bandwidth back in your heart and in your life and add quality, you gotta ask yourself, like, "Am I nurturing 100 friendships this much?" "And are they even going anywhere?" Like, are they fruitful? Like, do they multiply anything in your life? If they don't, I would say you might try to focus on, like, 10 or 15 relationships and that are people more in your river. Like, we have friends all over the world, but, like, it wouldn't necessarily benefit them or us if we were on the phone every night talking. You know? It might, and if it does, great. You know? But, like, if you're really on mission, you really gotta think about, like, every friendship that I invest in, okay? Every person that I invest in, like, that's, like, there's kind of this, like, emotional bank, you know, that you're giving and taking from up here. And so, like, if, if someone asks me the question, like, "How do we do it all?

How, how do we balance it all?" Part of my answer is we've become really intentional with what relationships we focus on and set aside time for. Because you can't have breakfast, lunch, or dinner, or coffee, or a Zoom call, or a catch-up phone call, or a 30-minute text-a-thon with 50 people a day. You just can't do it. And if you do, you'll get nothing done.

Rachel: Y yes, that's true. And I'd say on the other side of that, how we are able to accomplish what we're able to accomplish is through having a great team. Having other people around us. Incredible friends that are supporting us, but also, which a lot of these friends are on our staff 'cause we're so aligned. But having really great friends and having a team. So I know this podcast is more marriage focused, but a lot of entrepreneurs like to listen. So, it applies to both in business, having an incredible team. You and I can't actually physically do it all. We cannot in our business. So that's a topic for another day, but having incredible friendships, you cannot go at it alone. So both Austin and I on the Jordan Peterson personality test, we both scored. So go look it up.

Austin: Yeah, it's a great test.

Rachel: You know, pause, go, go check it out, write it down, come back. but it's a great test, and you can pair your couples'- you know, results together, which is fun. But, both of ours are 98 and 99 on extrovertism. So if we were in a room with 100 people, we would be, like, the 99th most. We would be second to the most ec enthusiastic person. Did I say extrovertism? In both of those. So we would literally be, him and I together, if we were in a room with 100 other people, him and I would probably be the top two. Like extrovert and

Austin: So it's very tempting

Rachel: Enthusiastic.

Austin: It's very tempting to always want to be buddies with everyone everywhere all the time.

Rachel: So I'm saying that because that's our thing. We've had to pull back, but we have great friends. And, but you might be someone who's maybe tempted to be more introvert, and you don't actually, you haven't set yourself up for having great friends and a great support system, and you haven't put yourself, you know, out there or loved yourself enough to be vulnerable enough to have incredible friendships. But let me tell you, God designed us to do life in community. He designed us to love each other, to be with each other, to cover each other in prayer and encouragement, and He designed us for that connection. And so if you don't have that, you can't get If you wanna continue growing and go to the next level, you need high-level friends, su supporting you

Austin: Quality people

Rachel: Surrounding you, that help you grow.

Austin: Yeah. You can't learn outside of relationship because relationship is relating to others. And if you don't relate to anyone, then there's no contrast to yourself, so you can't grow. So- And just making sure I note this too, like, focusing on friendships in our river. And by in our river we mean that are in our flow, like, in our direction in life, you know? Like, if, if, if I don't have any buddies anymore that are, like, you know, like, you know, my, my friends that are, like, I don't know, aren't married, don't have kids, and just, you know, you know, wrench their cars, you know, night and day, 24/7, and play Call of Duty, and, and don't do anything, you know? Like, and if you do all that, that's, that's fine if that's aligns with your values. But, like like, all the relationships I think about that we really spend the most time with are generally all people that are, like, in our river. They're, like, in our flow in life.

We go to church with them. I mean, generally pretty much everyone that we spend time with, we either go to church with, they're in our marriage program they're clients of ours. they're direct family of ours, that we're in direct community with.

Rachel: Yeah, or are we

Austin: I can't think of a single person that we spend a lot of time with that's not in our river, that they're not in our community. And I even think about, like when Jesus talked about ministry. He's like, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." And sometimes people use that scripture as a way to, like, shame people into, like, different, you know, policy decisions, you know, like, or, or agreeing with different, like, even, you know, political policy. But when Jesus said, "Love your neighbor," he was talking more those near you, those elbow to elbow. Like, the, the, the guy, your neighbor across the street, you know? The, your neighbor in your cubicle at work, you know? Like, that's what, that's what Jesus meant. And so I really do believe that focusing on the, the relationships we can im impact the most. It's like when people ask us, like, "What church do you go to?" And we're like, "Oh, Summit Park in Lee Summit." But if they live 45 minutes away, I'm like, "Don't come to our church."

I mean, if you want to, great, but find a church around the corner from your home so you can be in community with those people. So you, so that when you're like, "Hey, let's go to the farmers market," they'll know you're talking about the one at 15th and Main, not the one- 45 minutes away, you know? And so- I think it's really important to focus on friendships in our river. another big one is that, we have weekly date nights. You know? Again, like, we schedule everything. we have priorities on everything. we detail out our weeks. We make sure that every week we have a date night, no matter what.

Rachel: It's unapologetic.

Austin: Yeah, it's unapologetic. And thankfully, we have family close by, that help watch our kids, which is amazing. and so but nothing comes before that. Church commitments, work commitments anything. we make sure we have a date night no matter what. Because we know that when this ministry is doing well, all of our other ministries flow. And we have really figured out that it only works in that order.

Rachel: Mm-hmm. And even when family's not available, because I know a lot of people don't have family, like, we do, we pay for it, we make sure we do it, and we also go on trips. and just having nights away. Honestly, like, did you already say this? Quarterly nights away. making sure that we have that time even just to sleep together uninterrupted, you know, focus on us.

Austin: That's right. I, I feel, I, I feel what you're putting down. I, I see you. yeah. And so but to kinda just sum it all up, you know, we've got these specific agreements. we've got a vision for what we want our life to look like. And, and we just cut out the noise, okay? Like you gotta stop saying yes to everything and to everyone. I guess that's a way to, to kinda sum it up. Like, figure out what your values are. Figure out what your vision is for your marriage, for your business, for your life, for God's calling on, on kind of your, your whole universe. and then say yes to what aligns with that and say no to everything else. And if you're really willing to do that, you'll s you'll see everything start to line up in a, in a better way. And you'll, you'll just see more fruit. Pay attention to where the fruit comes from. That's another thing that's not even on this list, is audit.

Audit everything. That's something that wasn't even on this list, is just the idea that you gotta look at the fruit of everything you're producing. The fruit of what you're producing will tell you everything, okay? The fruit's all that matters, okay? You'll experience the result of your deepest commitments, period, okay? If you're committed to drama, you'll get drama. If you're committed to success, you'll get success. If you're committed to happiness, you'll get happiness. And so look at what you're actually producing and know that your choices are making that thing. So if you're busy and out of control and stressed all the time, you don't have time, you don't have money, you don't have e energy to do X, Y, and Z, it's 'cause you're committed to not doing X, Y, and Z. And you gotta go back and actually honestly audit what you do, what you say, what you think about, what you spend your money on to determine what you wanna get out of your life.

Rachel: So our second question is kind of building on that first one, and we get this a lot, is how do you make working together successful? Like, Austin, Rachel, how do you do it? How do you work together? 'Cause I think a lot of couples experience, well, I know a lot of couples experience, frustration in trying to work together. Or starting a business together and realizing there's a clash of the romance and the utility. And we already, every couple already experiences that just having a life together. There's, there's things to manage. There's schedules. There's sometimes kids. There's work, whatever it is, to even relay at the end of the day. and still trying to have that, you know, connected, sexy time where there's romance and polarity. And we can talk about the masculine and feminine some other time, but, yeah, this is a big question that we get a lot, is how do we make it work with working together specifically?

Austin: Yeah, great question. and what's interesting is I, I just kinda think about, like, you know, we have worked our entire relationship together. Even while we were dating, we were working together.

Rachel: When we were just friends.

Austin: Yeah, even when we were just friends

Rachel: You kinda snuck your way in there

Austin: We were, we were, we were working together. You know? Like, and then of course when we were engaged, we owned a business together and then got married, and we've, we've been em self-employed our entire relationship. and so I think we've learned a lot of interesting things. I've learned a lot of ways to win and learned a lot of ways that don't work, you know?

Rachel: Yeah. Do you remember, babe, when we were just friends and I was working at Scooter Coffee House, you found out that I was a photographer and I didn't have an LLC? This is such a great example of how I'm the creative. I have all these ideas, and I just start doing them. And you're like, "We've gotta have a business plan, and you need to make sure you're doing this."

Austin: Yeah, I d- I, I remember that conversation.

Rachel: And I was like, "Oh, well, I'm so glad you know what you're doing," and you hugged me, and we were still just friends. And I was like, "This guy is so nice."

Austin: Yeah. I never billed you for that, by the way.

Rachel: Also, I wanted to marry you. But yeah.

Austin: Good. Well, so yeah, we've worked our entire relationship. you know, similar to the first question, we have a lot of key agreements that really help us. Like, number one, like, as a personal boundary, we don't have any, logistics or utility conversation, after dinner prep and forward. So that's just an agreement we've had for a long time. When we start prepping dinner, like when I get my knife out to chop an onion or I get the steak out of the fridge or whatever, we don't have any more utility talk, any more business talk. Because it's different parts of your brain, 'kay? Like, the, the, your, your left brain, your logic thinking, information gathering, processing, task, get it done mode side of your brain, and the romantic side of your brain, 'kay, that more right side cre you know, feeling brain, creative brain. those two sides of the brain don't always work well together, 'kay? And if you've ever been in a car with someone while they're, like d like a stick, driving a stick shift, and they're a bad stick shift driver it's jarring.

Okay, it's just back, forth, back, forth, and you get a headache and it hurts, and you feel discombobulated and just, like, odd. That's what it's like in a lot of couples' experiences where all night long they're switching back and forth from like- "How is your day? How are you?" To like, "Oh, wait, are, are you picking up the kids tomorrow?" To like, "Oh, hey, like, I love you. Like, let's have sex." Then it's like, "Oh, wait, did you pay the water bill? oh my gosh." Like, you know, or, you know, and so Or like, "Oh, did you sign us up to volunteer at church tomorrow?" And so you're just, you're f you're switching back and forth so fast between romance, trying to get, like, interpersonal connection to business mode. And so we've learned that if we cut that out and basically just say, hey, like, we can We're fine with, you know, going through logistical kind of like our whole ecosystem stuff up until a certain point, but then from that point and on it's, like, just purely romantic.

It's spiritual. It's connected. It's stuff with our kids. It's stuff on our farm. that's helped us feel a lot more just connected and just less of that, like, utility, you know. A lot of people say, come to us and they say, "Oh, we just feel like roommates." You know? Well, you probably feel like roommates because your whole relationship has been reduced to utility. And that's what roommates are. Roommates are just roommates so they can share bills, share a living space, share responsibility, save money. Okay? Like, they're just roommates. Like, they are there to keep a household running, and that's it. You know? And so, that's a big one for us, is the dinner prep and on we're just focused on stuff that, you know, our hearts connecting together.

Rachel: Yeah. And two more would be clear roles in the business and being able to, we have agreements around the roles and being able to call each other out and as we work together, it's really important to be able to say, we learned this really early on, "Hey, that's not working. Do it like this," or, or, "No, Rachel, do it like this." Or, "This is gonna work better if we shift this," or, "Hey you didn't get that? You need to get it timelier." You know, or whatever it is. And being okay with, you know It's mostly me. I've grown the muscle of being less sensitive. I'm the empath. I'm naturally more Well, I am. I'm very in tune with my emotions. So early on working in wedding photography, we learned this very quickly because I had started the business, and then he came in. And so, but he was the man of the house. Like, he, you're the husband, right? So there's that role of authority, but I had started the business.

So then figuring that out early on, we learned how to conflict resolute by working professionally together. And so having, I don't wanna say thick skin, but just an agreement of knowing, like, hey, we're gonna make each other better. We're The, the goal is not, like, "Hey, I'm gonna " You know, we look at it, it's not as critique, it's feedback. Feedback's good. Feedbacks help us. Feedback helps us grow. Feedback helps us to do our best. And so as we give each other feedback, we can, you know, make our businesses the best, make our marriage the best, and not take it so personally.

Austin: Yeah. Well, it's deciding what you want the most, you know. We like to say a lot, like, you can either be happy or right. You know? And so, you know, when it comes down to, to, you know, working together successfully, you have to define the vision for why you're even working together. Like, what's the point, you know? Like if it's just making money, you can do that separately. You know, if it's having a prestigious career, you can do that separately. If it's providing for your family, that's separately. you can do that separately. But if working together multiplies more, you know, if it's not Austin plus Rachel equals Austin and Rachel, it's Austin plus Rachel equals multiplication like, that's a big vision, and that's worth it. Like, that's worth all the adjusting and all the feedback and all the, the humility that has to go you know. because working together generally, God will do more through that than if we're working apart, at least for our lives.

And so, you have to decide what you want the most. Like, if you just wanna be right all the time, like, that is a payoff. Okay, but, like, if you wanna be happy, that's a payoff. And so I know that if you're giving me feedback, the way that we both win is if we both win, you know? So, like, if you give me feedback and we come to a place where I'm like, "Oh, okay, like, that's great feedback. I'm gonna shift what I'm doing," and we win more as a couple, then we're both happier. You know? Like, we're both more aligned to our values and our vision for the business. And so you know, wanting to be right is not a bad thing, okay? Wanting to be right at the cost of things that are worth more to you, then you're out of alignment, and that's a problem. It's a problem if you wanna win, okay? Like and so I think for us what really helped working together become really successful was just deciding, like, what do we want the most?

What we want the most is that the kingdom of God would be moved through everything we do together, that we would create, success for our family, for our marriage, our kids, our legacy, our kids' kids, you know. and so, and we want that more than being right in a moment. Okay? 'Cause again, I'll probably say this on every episode, discipline is making choices based on what we want the most versus what we want in a moment. And sometimes in a moment, your, your ego or, a, a, a persona, an aspect of who you are says, "No, no, no, you need to be right here." Like, "You can't love yourself if you're wrong." "They won't respect you if you're wrong," you know.

Rachel: Or it means blank about you.

Austin: Yeah, it means blank about me if I'm wrong. It's being able to say, "You know what I want more than in this moment to be right? Is I just wanna be happy." Like, "I want this business to grow. Like, I wanna be able to help other couples. I wanna be able to help the kingdom of God. I want to be able to, like, you know, continue to build our dream homestead," you know. And I can't do that if I'm right and broke. You know? Like, it's okay to be incorrect about something, especially when the upside is so much better than just being right. Especially if you wanna be right when you know you're wrong. That's, like, definitely not worth any payoff. You know, e everything has a cost and payoff. Okay? And so if the payoff is being right, but the, but the cost is the connection between us not worth it. Or our ability to, like, provide for our family, not worth it. Our ability to impact the kingdom of God, not worth it.

Okay? So, that's a big piece. and again, defining vision. you gotta know what you wanna build before you build it, and I think that's one way that we've been really successful together, like in our businesses, is that we've been able to define what we want, who we're helping, why we want it what we're, even what we're gonna do with the money that we make through our businesses. You know? because, like, we've made more money than we've needed for a long time, but, like, God has called us to use that money for certain things and to build certain things that would, that would be more legacy things for us. And I'm convinced that most people don't trust themselves with money. That's why they don't make a lot of money. And so, like, if you think about, like, look at the parable of the talents. You know? Look at how each one stewarded their money, you know? if you don't know how you're going to steward what you're asking God for, he probably won't give it to you.

Okay? But if you know how you're gonna steward it and it honors God, he's probably gonna give it to you, okay? So, I think that as we've defined vision and as we've defined, like, what we are going to do with how God blesses us, as we've done that more and more, I've seen just more success come like, and, and not just by clients or revenue or anything like that, but just, like, the impact we've had together as a couple, and just working together. Like, I feel like working together has become easier just the more conversation we have about alignment and about, like, being on the same page and the same team. You know? Like, if I have to give you feedback, it's like, you know, back to our commitment statements, like, I, I agree to receive, you know, criticism as feedback. You know? We like to say just feedback

Rachel: Feedback as feed

Austin: As feedback. You know? But, like, where some people would be like, "Oh, you're being critical of me"- well, it's like if I didn't care about you, I wouldn't even give you feedback. Like, if I did not care about you, I'd let you walk around with mustard on your face all day. Okay? But because I care about you, I'm willing to point it out, you know? And we've decided that, that's ne a necessary step in building what we wanna build. So, and we're ju we're people that we teach personal growth. We teach reflection. We teach humility. We teach being willing to look at yourself and make adjustments, and we can't teach other people to do that if we're not doing that actively.

Rachel: Yeah. And along that is having vision. So having those goals, but when we can actually envision, like, okay, our life in five years, like, I can close my eyes and I know what it looks like. But then I'm able to reverse engineer that and say, "Okay. Well, how do I get there? Okay, this. Well, I don't do this. I do this. I do this differently. I have these people in my life. These are my rhythms." "These are the things that I do," because I have examples of other people that are there. So just having vision as well, like, for you and I, like you said having vision, but then reverse engineering it into, like, monthly things, weekly things daily things that we can be doing and being intentional in.

Austin: You know, you know, the other two things, or o one other thing that really feeds into both of these questions that I just, the first two questions I just wanna hit on too is we audit our input sources constantly. You know? I know a lot of Christians, even business owners, even people that are maybe even in the marriage space, that every time I talk to it's like they've read seven more books, 15 more podcasts they're, they're watching sermons from 100 other pastors, and they're, they have so much input, they don't know where to go. Okay? And you can't climb a mountain if you try to use 1,000 different routes up the mountain. You gotta, you gotta pick one or two- 'cause every time you change routes, you have to backtrack a little bit to change routes. You know, I, I love rock climbing. and I feel like we are really diligent about what our, our sources of input are. You know, we only take infi input from people we want to be like.

Okay? We only take input from sources that we believe are in our path, in our river, like where God wants us to be. And it's so easy to let the latest podcast video or TikTok video, which we don't, we're not on TikTok, but the latest whatever video completely sway your next decision, you know? And being tossed by those waves. And that's something that we don't do, that w that we believe, like, if you wanna be successful, if you wanna work together as a couple really well, you gotta be really, diligent and disciplined about your sources of input into your life. And that even goes into, like, what TV do you watch? What news do you listen to? If you listen to the news at all. are you scrolling on Facebook constantly? All that. So because you, you don't have the bandwidth. We don't have the bandwidth to do everything we're doing personally and professionally, and also just fill our head with- 1,000 people's opinions. Especially people that we may not even wanna be like.

Rachel: Yeah. And they, they have to be so aligned, which is interesting. I'm quoting somebody else on a podcast, Chad Veach. He said recently, you know, "You almost have to have blinders on"- where it's like I don't look at your stuff on Facebook. I'm not scrolling. Like, this is my goal in life. This is my aim, and I'm, I don't need to see that other stuff because I, if I, I'm, it's a distraction. It's getting me off of, like, my prize, my goal that God has for me. So it's just, like, putting blinders on. It's not wrong. It's not you know, inconsiderate. It's the way that God's designed us to be to get to where we wanna go.

Austin: Yeah. Well, and it's, it's so easy, to w a lot of times we procrastinate. Okay? Procrastinate is just not doing anything, putting it off. Procrastinate is to do a less important thing in lieu of doing a more important thing, but at least you feel like you got something done. That's procrastination, and sometimes, you know, studying other people is just procrastination. It's keeping you from doing what God's calling you to do. You think that you're helping your goal okay, by doing that, but you're actually just putting off doing the work.

Rachel: You can feel productive.

Austin: I, I know a lot of people that they, they are knowledge masters. They've got libraries of knowledge, okay? And libraries of theology, libraries of process, but they don't actually do anything. And I really believe that God calls us to be people of action. And so for us to be successful together, we are inspired by people, and we do take time to be inspired by people. And we do take time to

Rachel: 'Cause that's important

Austin: Study and learn and grow, and we do that. And we've, we've done that for a long time. We also, like, when I think about, like, my sales script, okay, like, that I use in sales, it's like, w when, when we're selling things, okay? It's the same four sentences I was taught- Like nine years ago. And I've always stuck to that. And it has helped us help a lot of people. And I've had a thousand people try to tell me a better way since, but it's like we found a way that works.

Rachel: You get hit with ads every day.

Austin: Yeah, I know. Yeah. We found a way that works. We found a process that works. and we've just stuck to it, so.

Rachel: Yeah. Well, I'd like to take this time for our nonprofit shout-out. godsaidgo.org. Take a moment to go to godsaidgo.org.

Austin: Just go ahead and pause. Go ahead and pause this. godsaidgo.org. Okay. What should they do there?

Rachel: And, you'll get to read about Jeff and Esther McLaren. We love them. you know how some people just make you feel like that you're just so special? They are some of those people. They go to our church, and they're missionaries to, Latin America, and they do a lot of incredible things. we want you to go and read for yourself what they do. But we highly recommend, if you're looking for a place to, give your money where you know it's going to be making an impact and being used through incredible people this would be a great nonprofit to go and even just drop a couple bucks and let them know that we sent you, and we love them.

Austin: Godsaidgo.org. Go there right now. Give them a few bucks. Read about their story, then come back, finish this episode. So we're gonna wrap up with our third question today, and, th this is a really interesting question. And, it's how does someone get started with growing their marriage? How did you get started with your marriage and grow it to the point where you felt like you wanted to teach others, where you wanted to help others? So kind of a two-part question. number one, the way you get started is you gotta shift your perspective on what your marriage is and what it takes to make your marriage great, okay? To make your marriage great again. you gotta make it a project. If your marriage is just a hope and dream, that's where it'll always stay. Like anything, the, hope is not enough, okay? It requires action. It requires making it a project. People are gonna live a really, really average, bleak life unless they get really proactive about channeling God's goodness through their life and giving that to the world.

Like, that, statistically, that's where most people will end up. They're, they're not gonna have some big, crazy, adventurous, epic life unless they make it a project and go, "Here's what I want. I'm gonna reverse engineer how to get there, and then I'm gonna get really, really, really busy on accomplishing that." And so you gotta make your marriage a project. You can't just hope. You gotta go, "Here's what we want it to look like and here's the timeframe in which we want to start experiencing that and we're gonna build that together." and so there's a thought here that, like a, a, a quote that I want you guys to remember is in life you don't necessarily always get what you deserve. You get what you're committed to. And your projects are typically where your commitments are, okay? I think everyone deserves love. I think everyone deserves love and, and grace and connection, all those things. You're not necessarily gonna get that just because you deserve it.

You're gonna get it if you're committed to it, okay? You're gonna get a great marriage if you're fully committed to building a great marriage. Okay? Like you're rehabbing a house.

Rachel: That leads me to the next point, is make your marriage a line item in your budget. Like, when you sit down and you're looking at your finances and everything, like, like we always say, we'll continue to say it forever, is God, our marriage, our kids, everything else. If that is, if that speaks to you, that aligns with you, guess what? You're gonna have a budget, a line item, for, you know, your marriage. It's your personal relationship with God, then your marriage. So that line item would look like going to retreats, being in our monthly coaching marriage program, investing in courses. You know, like we said, those, you know, date nights, of course, and then weekends away. babysitting for those date nights. Whatever it is, like, you are going to be investing in that thing if it really is the top priority to you.

Austin: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and, and, and that's, that's kinda how we got started, you know, in the marriage world. Like, you know, back in the very b very beginning of our marriage, even before we got married, you know, like, we were seeking out counsel. We were reading books. We were trying to figure out Which, I mean, we created what wasn't there, you know? With, like, our our program did not exist then.

Rachel: We read some bad books too.

Austin: Yeah. And it doesn't exist now. And, out outside of what we're doing that we know of. And, you know, we wanted to treat our marriage like it was the most important thing to us, along with our faith. And because we did that, it enabled us to create a really awesome marriage. And so, you know, we continue to do that and refuse to believe that there's some ceiling. Like, there's no you can't come to this place where you're like, "Yeah, we're so good. We're so solid. We don't need help." You just have a small vision for your marriage. That's all that means. When someone comes to us and says, "No, we're good. We don't need any help," like, "We don't need any improvement," like, that just tells me that you just, you, you are not seeing the big picture of what God has for you. Like, you, you don't know the depth yet. You don't know the height yet. You don't know the width yet of how great your marriage can become.

Like

Rachel: And to be honest, I think a lot of couples might be saying that out of self-preservation or a, a lack of, you know, feeling you know, maybe, like, a, a fear of what people will think, so they wanna say, "We're great. We're good."

Austin: We love to work with a couple that it makes sense to them. They're like, "Well, yeah, of course I budget time. Of course I budget money. Of course I budget emotion for my marriage," you know? Because that's that's how we got started, you know? Like, we just made a decision that, you know, we didn't wanna pay a huge marriage bill someday. We wanted to pay for, like, marriage insurance. Like, we wanted to be proactive. Like, even when we were just dating, we were reading books, seeking counsel. Like, you know, trying to find a program like the one we have today, which we couldn't even find back then, to help us, like, be in a community with people to grow our marriage. And so the, like, you know, the, for us, what we have seen working with tons of couples across the board is the couples that win the most are the most committed to it. And they're the ones that go, like, right there in their budget.

Like, "Here's what we're gonna spend every month on our marriage. Here's what we're gonna spend every month in our calendar. Here's what we're gonna spend every month in our energy, our emotion, our commitments." Because there's no place, there's no time, really, where I believe that a conscious Christian can get to where they're like, "Oh, yeah, my marriage is great. It's good to go." Like, "It's solid. Like, I don't ever need any other help," you know? And- Sure, that, that could come from some insecure place, but also I think where it comes from is they lack a big vision for their marriage. They just don't know how great it can become. 'Cause I know, I know a lot of couples that might look like they have a really great marriage, but they actually have not tasted real intimacy. They have not tasted deep connection. They haven't tasted what co-creation looks like in marriage. They have not tasted Like, they've just gotten used to the level of drama in their marriage.

They've gotten used to the level of friction in the marriage. They've gotten used to the disjointedness in their marriage. Like, they've just learned to tolerate pain. They haven't actually learned to experience the heights. Like, because some of the most common feedback we get from couples that, like, dip into our world is they're like, "Wow, I didn't know this existed. Like, I didn't know that we could experience that. Like, I didn't know that we could go up the mountain that much faster together rather than the slow snail's pace. Like, I didn't realize that it could be that good." And it's because they're literally budgeting, time, money, and emotion, and they're building a bigger vision for what their marriage is for. Okay? They're realizing that their marriage is gonna grow, and then it's gonna start multiplying from there. And, you know, so that's kinda how we got started. We just, we just made a decision. Like, we just, we just decided one day that, like, we're not gonna have a mediocre marriage.

We're not gonna have some weak, lame, marriage where, you know, we just we're roommates forever, and then we die. Like, God wants to build something big through us, so we said yes to that. And then we got started by saying it's gonna be at the forefront of our budget for Because, like, you know what gets budgeted for always gets paid for. Time, money, and energy, okay? What gets budgeted for? Your house payment, your car payment, your insurance, your investments, your groceries, your, your, your everything. Whatever whatever actually goes in the spreadsheet if you use a, a budget, or even if you don't, in the mental spreadsheet that gets paid for, okay? It always does. And so if you stick a line item in there called marriage, and we're gonna set aside X amount of dollars a month because we want it to be this good, it's like if you want a Ferrari, you're gonna have to pay 5K a month, okay? If you want a Corolla, which there's nothing wrong with Corollas, you know?

Rachel: We love Corollas.

Austin: Yeah, we love Corollas. Yeah. You might budget 50 bucks a month, okay? But if you want a Ferrari, you gotta budget $5,000 a month. If you budget $0 a month, you're gonna get no car, okay? And this isn't, like, some ploy for financing cars versus paying cash- 'cause we have different methodologies on that with different tax consequences and that kind of thing. But we're saying for your marriage, okay? If you wanna have a marriage that coasts and idles forever, budget nothing. If you wanna have a decent marriage, you know, budget enough money to buy a book once a year, you know? If you wanna have a super powerful marriage, okay, crank that line item up towards the top of the spreadsheet where the bigger numbers are, and then watch how the return on that investment pays off like you never thought possible.

Rachel: Right, because when you're starting up here, you know, God marriage, it trickles down. Like- God uses our marriage to bless every single aspect of our life. You know, it's like if Austin and I aren't, like, on the same page or connected or, you know, having an off day or something, we cannot serve our kids the same, you know? We cannot show up at s church and lead the same. Like, we have unapologetic, like, no, we're always gonna be good. We're always gonna take care of us. And that's the top priority because if it's not, everything else suffers. And but when it's going great, everything else goes great. So it's like this is the answer actually to all the questions. To the first one, which is, you know, how do we do it all? It's, it is. It's focusing on our marriage. A God first and then our marriage, and because through that everything is blessed.

Austin: I've seen more people build wealth because their marriage was their top priority. I've seen more people build healthier bodies, healthier physiques, healthier lives because their marriage was a priority. I've seen more people have incredible kids and parenting, kid relationships because they made their marriage a priority. I've seen so many people build better careers, better friendships, better, everything because they focus on their marriage. And they focus on their marriage because they know that they're being obedient to God by doing so. Okay? And so when we align to that, okay, just to kinda capstone this whole thing, when re we align to what Rachel just said, which is because of our faith in God, because of our, our, our, our duty and our obedience to God, to Yahweh, we will focus on our marriage. We'll unapologetically focus and prioritize our marriage, and because of that, God honors us in return, okay? and, and then every other area of life makes sense. But if you try to go the other way, try to build some great career, get the nice house, nice cars, have the Instagram-looking life, blah, blah, blah, it doesn't work in that order, okay?

It just doesn't. Like, I, I've really never seen anyone pull it off that has stayed rooted and grounded to their faith and to their marriage that, that way. And I'm not saying you can't have it all, 'cause you can have it all, okay? 'Cause we do have it all, okay? And I, I thank God for that every day. But we have what we have because we started with God, and then we let that filter down into our marriage, and then we let that filter down into everything else. And you just have to try it to see. You just have to see it play out sometimes to get it, but that's the way it works. And I think that's why when couples begin to work with us, they're like, "Whoa, I didn't realize it could be like this." And I'm like, "Well, the whole time it's because your marriage wasn't where it needed to be." So then everything else, it had friction. It didn't have flow.

It had frustration. Okay? It was strained because your marriage was strained. Okay? So

Rachel: Well, and marriage is two people, two individuals, and it's God's way of helping us heal. So we heal each other as we heal, as we love each other and, grow in our marriage, we're actually personally growing. It's personal growth. It's personal development when you focus on your marriage. And everything flows through us. Right? It's God, us, out to the world. And so it's incredible watching people, like you said, like, have everything and then be so broken and frustrated with the results or the lack of results and then come to us and be like, "Oh, my word, I didn't realize this was the missing thing," and then watching it just grow and blossom and flourish from there.

Austin: Yeah. It's good stuff. Well, that kinda wraps us up for today. we hope you guys found some value in us answering these q three questions. We'd love some of your feedback, comments, thoughts, suggestions. leave them below this video. Feel free to reach out to us. but, thank you for joining us today. We'll look forward to seeing you for our next episode. And, God bless you guys, and we'll talk soon.